19 thoughts on “Yeast Radio 1156 Oy Vey Rachel and Madge Talk Religyn”

  1. Why did I have a flashback to an old Yeast episode during part of this? I seriously thought it was a replay of an old grum. But then I realized it was a new episode with all of the Facebook talk.

    Anyway, it’s always nice to have Rapechel on. Good grum.

  2. Honey, if I was straight, I would totally marry you!

    As a gay person, though, I would probably do it for the Green Card, and to get hold of your mother’s Kugel-recipe and a copy of your book of short stories…

  3. Madge and Rachel – great show!!!!
    At times I sided with both of you, hated each you, and by the end all I wanted was more!
    Please get to work on the feminism grum! You two go together like retarded oil and water or a peanut butter sandwich!

  4. Yep; enjoyed the back and forth and the way the two of you actually were able to hold the space for that to happen; I liked the moment of clarity about how you two are different; Madge keeps the good stuff “close to the vest” and broadcasts the “negative”, Rachael keeps the negative close to the vest and broadcasts the “positive.” But I also have to say there have been few things that have brought me more laughs and smiles than Madge’s miserable company. My sense is that you both brighten the world just in these very different ways… great grum.

  5. That’s okay, Rachel, I wasn’t gonna move to the US anyways, at least here in Europe I have health care… And Eurovision.

  6. IMHO;

    – Madge is overly sensitive about other people’s religion and religious manifestations to such an extent it’s a bit funny.
    If someone wishes me a Happy Hanukkah I might raise a suprised eyebrown, nod and go on about my day. Regardless, I recognize that it’s important for that person even though I couldn’t care less (in the sense that it does not apply to me, being catholic).

    – It’s clear that Rachel is very happy being a Jew. Happy to the extent that she wants to spread her joy to others. It seems that sometimes this takes the form of cheesy happy-go-lucky type of religious declarations, even though they’re harmless and quaint they can be a thorn in some people’s side. HOWEVER, that all depends on where a person’s coming from on the religious acceptance scale. Either you embrace the inherent love in a message or you filter it through your own religion filter, blocking out what you find too obtrusive.

    Anyways, I like that Rachel is definitely standing up for herself nowadays and that you now have thorough discussions instead of Rachel allowing Madge to steamroll her and thanking her for it.
    Basically.

  7. Interesting conversation. Have to side with Rachel on the proselytizing issue. I don’t read that into her posts on Facebook. Actually, it’s nice to get a break from all the goyim posts.

  8. Now that I’ve finally listened to the showgrum, I’d like to comment on the topics which were actually discussed (rather than declaring my general appreciation for all things Rachel).

    I’m not friends with Rachel on Facebook (because I haven’t used it in about 3 years now, plus I do not friend people who I’ve never met personally in general), but I do follow her on Twitter (and I don’t think her FB-posts differ that much from her tweets, anyway). I have grown up catholic and live in a somewhat agnostic/catholic-normative filter bubble. Other than Rachel the only Jewish people I follow are Madge, our local Jewish museum and one other guy who seems to be semi-“religious”, but is also conscious of the catholic-normative society he (and by extension, myself) lives in.
    And to pick up a premise that Ragan mentioned, unlike him, I am somewhat spiritual myself, however mine is rooted in Catholicism. Sometimes I feel like going to church, and having a spiritual experience in hearing a choir sing a mass by Bruckner, Schubert, or Mozart, and ideally hearing a sermon by a (hopefully) open-minded priest. Furthermore, I have often found hope and peace in prayer during troubled and difficult times in my life. That said, I also believe very strongly in the separation of church and state, and religion being a private, personal matter.

    I am aware that I’m a Rachel-Fanboy, and that sometimes my admiration for her might inflict my judgement about her postings. I have a column with her tweets in my Tweetdeck, and I read every tweet she puts out there (despite the obvious overuse of Hashtags, but somebody has already made a YouTube-video addressing that problem, anyway), click on every link, picture or vine-video she posts (like yours, Madge, btw), I watch her videos, listen to her tracks and her poetry as far as that’s available to me, I’d even buy her book if it was still available. And I think I have learned a lot about Judaism just from listening to the conversations you guys have (and have had) on this show.
    I am aware that she is a very spiritual person, and that she takes great pride in her Jewish heritage, and, unlike myself, she is very interested in mysticism and esotericism. So when she posts “Shabbat Shalom” or “Shana Tova”, I take it as her expressing herself, *not* as an implied message to me (who she’s probably unaware of, anyways), or anyone specific for that matter. What else would it be?! Furthermore, I feel like it enriches my life that people like her remind me of Jewish holidays (or Jewish culture in general) that I wouldn’t be aware of otherwise, given the cultural filter bubble I’m living in, just as I would be appreciative about a Muslim person posting that s/he was celebrating the end of Ramadan. I don’t think her intentions are to proselytize at all, I think she’s merely expressing her love, her joy, or spirituality, and the proselytizing is what you read into it with your own background (although I’m probably making too many assumptions about Madge here, which I probably shouldn’t).

    Furthermore, Rachel’s premise of not identifying with Judaism as a “religion” but merely a cultural and spiritual heritage is very relatable to me, as it implies that she is very conscious of and thinking critically about the scriptures and teaching she reads and reflects, which is also an approach that I like to apply to my own spirituality, and which I have learned, to some extend, from her. Also, it has helped me finding my own personal spirituality, and with dealing with my conflicted relationship to the Catholic church given their obvious homophobia, misogyny, pedophilia, and general morality (e.g. their stands on the usage of condoms or birth control in general). On the other hand, though, I believe that spirituality far less important to my identity as it is to her’s.

    Sometimes I find myself on Twitter, thinking, “Oh, it’s Friday, I’d like to wish Rachel ‘Shabbat Shalom’,” but then I second-guess myself because, after all I’m not Jewish and maybe she’d think that that was weird, so I just fave her Shabbat-comments when she puts one out.

    I hope I’ve made sense in trying to express my opinion- I’ve definitely used a lot of “I”s… 🙂

  9. Quinquin – this is amazing. There’s so much I want to say but it’s still swirling around in my mind that I can’t quite yet put into words, but the upshot is: THANK YOU. Thank you for seeing me. In the truest, deepest, “Ich und Du” – Martin Buber sense, thank you. Also, it would be my honor to send you a book, and please feel free to wish me well be it via a “Shabbat Shalom” or a “Happy Easter” or “Joyous Diwali” or whatever you are feeling.

    Thank you for existing. I see your light. Namaste.

    Xoxoxo

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