Yes ladies, and gentlemen. Our troops are dying so we can have Ice Cream, YAY!!!!!
Bug chasers — interesting but just can’t get why. And, yeah, if someone is lies about being clean and gives someone a fatal disease, it should be considered murder — particularly if the results were intentional and malicious.
What a great show! thank god the computa co-opervated. did you hear that it was a psychiatrist that did the colonoscopy ? thats a rumor maybe but i love it.
pecante pecante! the new prolapsy collage rhythm is hypnotic. love it
oops…how you be?
I’s be here…someone sent me a wacky Gwen Verdon/Fosse Routine set to “Walk it Out”
that they found on YouTube…
Girl, it is hysterical…I tried to post it here for you guys but, it wouldn’t…oh, what was the topic…sorry to interrupt…oh, did ya’ll see Hairspray? Latifah Lives, grrl! Great movie…gotta go!
bye
B!!
We miss you, Berbacia! Come back to the show soon!
Stealthing is fucking evil, I think that whole bug chaser subculture is just absolutely the lowest humanity can go. These self hating queens’ death wish and their willingness to bring the people they have sex with down with them is totally fascinating but depressing and fucking nasty. A friend of mine was saying some barebacking porn producer said that HIV negativity “is the new virginity” – its sick, their denial system.
Yes, I thought it would be nice of Berbie and I to read soome of these stealthing stories on my show. Hopefully she will oblige me in between Fosseeing with Tuttie and Betty Buckley.
Yes! But you MUST read it in Maya Angelou lesbian performance poetry style.
Duh.
I’ll just need to borrow a wig.
After reading the comments I am already channeling Maya, in a good way…
Seriously, there is always an underbelly..let’s bring it light!
Live,
B!
Your shows continue to fascinate me. I love taboos.
there’s a 2003 documentary about this called “The Gift”, where the gift givers are those who give the bug-chasers what they want.
Louise Hogarth’s candid documentary The Gift introduces the subculture of “bug chasers” and “gift givers,” gay men who actively seek to contract or transmit the AIDS virus to fulfill a need for belonging in a community. But their choice often carries with it staggering moral and physical repercussions. And Does Anyone Die of AIDS Anymore? reveals that, despite the advances in treatment, thousands are still dying of AIDS in the United State
Great show. Love the ice cream comment about the war and loved your honest reaction to the bug chaser / barebacking conversations online.
A good friend who died this year was a bug chaser and then after being gifted became a stealther. I didn’t realize the way he spoke was so common or an understood lingo. His brain was fascinating. It was all about pushing the rush (much like a drug) further. He took it to this extreme: He would go out, get drunk and pick fights so he could hopefully rub his blood with someone elses. That’s right, his fascination with being HIV positive and infecting others moved beyond just sex. One time I asked him about it all… and he thought of being positive as being “a vampire” or something “celebrated” that gave him purpose in an otherwise boring life.
My opinions about him were obviously a challenge, but I did think of him as a friend although he scared me to death… and at times wondered if this person could be considered a murderer.
What’s even more fascinating is how this topic continually gets denied (there are no bug chasers) or ignored.
You can stop wondering.
Yeah, that’s my first reaction too…
BUT, as you partner with someone you maybe don’t know well (i.e. in a backroom, through manhunt, or at a bar) aren’t you also somewhat agreeing to take a risk and somewhat guilty in your own murder?
Sure you may be “unwillingly bred”, but as long as you’re not forced against your will and raped… how can you consider yourself a victim in contracting the disease?
I don’t know the answer, nor do I know where the line should be drawn. But I liked Madge’s realization that when you have sex you should be responsible… bring your own condom and take the precautions you deem necessary to keep yourself healthy (if you want).
If you don’t or think your partners should care about your own well-being in the way that you do, then perhaps you are a little too trusting of people and a little too arrogant (yes, arrogant! in regard to this issue) about your rights to stay bug free.
I hate how Kucinich and Gravel make the most sense when it comes to the war, but people won’t even consider them because they are “not electable.”
I don’t have anything to say about the bug-chaser issue that hasn’t already been said. All I know is I’m glad I haven’t been fucked in…a while.
Little to add to a powerful conversation. I’m a lucky guy who is healthy at 44. My negotiations with sex partners tend to be sane. But I do love watching bareback porn. Nasty, muscly, hairy guys fucking without condoms. This episode makes me think of a parallel to rape fantasies. Folks can play out their imagined forced sex scenarios with partners in real time as long as there is a dialogue and limits. You can’t exactly do that with barebacking. Is there such a thing as half a murder?
MMmmhmm found the ‘stealthily’ hidden website.
Terrifying.
I learn so much listening to this show.
The stuff about stealthing – particularly sabotaging condoms – seems so unbelievably sick, I would never have imagined it.
Worse, reading some of the comments here it doesn’t seem quite as obscure as I was hoping.
That the bottom should always supply the condoms seems like best advice to come out of that.
For someone like me who was a young man at the beginning of the epidemic, even before it had a name, I find this to be so very sad. These people have all the knowledge and resources that we longed to have, and they are using it for self-destruction and murder.
The entire topic of barebacking is indeed controversial. While there can be a great physical and mental rush from fucking without protection, the risks far outweigh the benefits. People unfamiliar with the realities of HIV infection or the complexities of its treatment should check into it before they embark on a journey to become POZ. I’ve worked in the HIV field for going on 7 years now. I’ve done everything from volunteering at a home for end-stage patients to watching a former aquaintance die of a form of dementia called PML. Some good online resources include http://www.thebody.com, http://www.aidsmeds.com and http://www.hivandhepatitis.com.
Oh, and Madge, you got one thing wrong. You don’t “give AIDS”, but rather you pass HIV to your partner through the exchange of bodily fluids. This exchange can be via drug-sharing or sex. AIDS is a collection (e.g. syndrome) of illnesses caused by a failing or defunct immune system and the profileration of bacteria, parasites and other opportunistic infectious, many of which are already inside of us.
My partner is Poz and I am neg, I love him very much, at numerous times I wish I am poz too so I could understand him. I beg him to make me poz but he wouldn’t.
33 replies on “YR638 Shocking Barebacking Techniques”
i just barebacked the biggest dick of my life.
craiglist rocks.
you know what rocks more? not being an aging queen who has to troll the internet for dangerous anonymous sex. yeah. that rocks.
It’s 2007. We need to be able to have cybersex that feels like real sex. Someone needs to work on that technology.
Ugh, are you *serious* ? …. there ain’t no slim-cam anyway honaye.
Wow. that is some insane shit about the bug chasers and all that.
Why can’t people just call murder murder?
http://www.theoccasionalfag.com/index.php?post_id=192507
Yes ladies, and gentlemen. Our troops are dying so we can have Ice Cream, YAY!!!!!
Bug chasers — interesting but just can’t get why. And, yeah, if someone is lies about being clean and gives someone a fatal disease, it should be considered murder — particularly if the results were intentional and malicious.
What a great show! thank god the computa co-opervated. did you hear that it was a psychiatrist that did the colonoscopy ? thats a rumor maybe but i love it.
pecante pecante! the new prolapsy collage rhythm is hypnotic. love it
oops…how you be?
I’s be here…someone sent me a wacky Gwen Verdon/Fosse Routine set to “Walk it Out”
that they found on YouTube…
Girl, it is hysterical…I tried to post it here for you guys but, it wouldn’t…oh, what was the topic…sorry to interrupt…oh, did ya’ll see Hairspray? Latifah Lives, grrl! Great movie…gotta go!
bye
B!!
We miss you, Berbacia! Come back to the show soon!
Stealthing is fucking evil, I think that whole bug chaser subculture is just absolutely the lowest humanity can go. These self hating queens’ death wish and their willingness to bring the people they have sex with down with them is totally fascinating but depressing and fucking nasty. A friend of mine was saying some barebacking porn producer said that HIV negativity “is the new virginity” – its sick, their denial system.
Yes, I thought it would be nice of Berbie and I to read soome of these stealthing stories on my show. Hopefully she will oblige me in between Fosseeing with Tuttie and Betty Buckley.
Yes! But you MUST read it in Maya Angelou lesbian performance poetry style.
Duh.
I’ll just need to borrow a wig.
After reading the comments I am already channeling Maya, in a good way…
Seriously, there is always an underbelly..let’s bring it light!
Live,
B!
Your shows continue to fascinate me. I love taboos.
there’s a 2003 documentary about this called “The Gift”, where the gift givers are those who give the bug-chasers what they want.
Louise Hogarth’s candid documentary The Gift introduces the subculture of “bug chasers” and “gift givers,” gay men who actively seek to contract or transmit the AIDS virus to fulfill a need for belonging in a community. But their choice often carries with it staggering moral and physical repercussions. And Does Anyone Die of AIDS Anymore? reveals that, despite the advances in treatment, thousands are still dying of AIDS in the United State
available from Netflix
http://www.documen.tv/asset/The_Gift.html
Great show. Love the ice cream comment about the war and loved your honest reaction to the bug chaser / barebacking conversations online.
A good friend who died this year was a bug chaser and then after being gifted became a stealther. I didn’t realize the way he spoke was so common or an understood lingo. His brain was fascinating. It was all about pushing the rush (much like a drug) further. He took it to this extreme: He would go out, get drunk and pick fights so he could hopefully rub his blood with someone elses. That’s right, his fascination with being HIV positive and infecting others moved beyond just sex. One time I asked him about it all… and he thought of being positive as being “a vampire” or something “celebrated” that gave him purpose in an otherwise boring life.
My opinions about him were obviously a challenge, but I did think of him as a friend although he scared me to death… and at times wondered if this person could be considered a murderer.
What’s even more fascinating is how this topic continually gets denied (there are no bug chasers) or ignored.
You can stop wondering.
Yeah, that’s my first reaction too…
BUT, as you partner with someone you maybe don’t know well (i.e. in a backroom, through manhunt, or at a bar) aren’t you also somewhat agreeing to take a risk and somewhat guilty in your own murder?
Sure you may be “unwillingly bred”, but as long as you’re not forced against your will and raped… how can you consider yourself a victim in contracting the disease?
I don’t know the answer, nor do I know where the line should be drawn. But I liked Madge’s realization that when you have sex you should be responsible… bring your own condom and take the precautions you deem necessary to keep yourself healthy (if you want).
If you don’t or think your partners should care about your own well-being in the way that you do, then perhaps you are a little too trusting of people and a little too arrogant (yes, arrogant! in regard to this issue) about your rights to stay bug free.
I hate how Kucinich and Gravel make the most sense when it comes to the war, but people won’t even consider them because they are “not electable.”
I don’t have anything to say about the bug-chaser issue that hasn’t already been said. All I know is I’m glad I haven’t been fucked in…a while.
Little to add to a powerful conversation. I’m a lucky guy who is healthy at 44. My negotiations with sex partners tend to be sane. But I do love watching bareback porn. Nasty, muscly, hairy guys fucking without condoms. This episode makes me think of a parallel to rape fantasies. Folks can play out their imagined forced sex scenarios with partners in real time as long as there is a dialogue and limits. You can’t exactly do that with barebacking. Is there such a thing as half a murder?
MMmmhmm found the ‘stealthily’ hidden website.
Terrifying.
I learn so much listening to this show.
The stuff about stealthing – particularly sabotaging condoms – seems so unbelievably sick, I would never have imagined it.
Worse, reading some of the comments here it doesn’t seem quite as obscure as I was hoping.
That the bottom should always supply the condoms seems like best advice to come out of that.
For someone like me who was a young man at the beginning of the epidemic, even before it had a name, I find this to be so very sad. These people have all the knowledge and resources that we longed to have, and they are using it for self-destruction and murder.
The entire topic of barebacking is indeed controversial. While there can be a great physical and mental rush from fucking without protection, the risks far outweigh the benefits. People unfamiliar with the realities of HIV infection or the complexities of its treatment should check into it before they embark on a journey to become POZ. I’ve worked in the HIV field for going on 7 years now. I’ve done everything from volunteering at a home for end-stage patients to watching a former aquaintance die of a form of dementia called PML. Some good online resources include http://www.thebody.com, http://www.aidsmeds.com and http://www.hivandhepatitis.com.
Oh, and Madge, you got one thing wrong. You don’t “give AIDS”, but rather you pass HIV to your partner through the exchange of bodily fluids. This exchange can be via drug-sharing or sex. AIDS is a collection (e.g. syndrome) of illnesses caused by a failing or defunct immune system and the profileration of bacteria, parasites and other opportunistic infectious, many of which are already inside of us.
My partner is Poz and I am neg, I love him very much, at numerous times I wish I am poz too so I could understand him. I beg him to make me poz but he wouldn’t.
“I cant even read this anymore, its too wierd”…
~Madge.
genital warts…
cure for genital warts…
good work, has taken pleasure in perusal