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Business vultures will want to hear this interesting discussion about the state of the vlog between myself and Raymond Kristianson. I hope I spelled his name right.
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Shownotes by Matt Blender.
Eating at Stella’s in Boystown.
Oprah ruined straight men and spent too much on her doghouse.
I reccomend Adam’s political vlog about habeas corpus at thisboyelroy.com.
My show format vs. Ragan’s.
Audio skit.
Running into Tina Stevens(?)/Tim out on the town. He was wearing one of Juan’s jackets.
Being really real on this podcast, finally.
The female Madge persona was a crutch.
Song.
Heidi 2006.
Long talk with vlogger Raymond Kristiansen who was on the front page of the BBC.
Raymond is the chief satan for Evilvog.
Vloggies and the way they’re using money and influence to woo people to the ceremony.
The vlogosphere vibe has become really discouraging.
I resent the fact that someone banal, talentless, and totally common-denominator can become hugely successful just because they catch the zeitgeist.
What’s the long-term effect of having video online?
I know what I want out of vlogging and podcasting. A lot of other people want these same things too.
I don’t like awards but I do accept that other people are not of my opinion.
Raymond’s friends Jay Dedman and Ryanne Hoddson (sp?) have started editing Scoble’s videos.
I don’t like the idea of telling an artist his or her work is better or worse.
Tech geeks becoming art geeks.
Raymond would like to see more themed vlogging.
My new show: News Shake.
Raymond: it seems to be random who gets embraced in the vlogosphere.
Peter van Dijk has kept his integrity.
Mefeedia.
Peter (Mefeedia) actually took my complaints seriously a while ago.
The future of vlogging.
People are more interested in seeing user-generated material than commercial content.
The political potential of user-generated material.
There needs to be a virtual news desk.
There’s tons of reporting that needs to be done.
My problem with indie media marketing.
Vlog Europe with Bicycle Mark.
35 replies on “YR468 Scobelizer Shopping for Vloggers? with Raymond K.”
Just some quick thoughts as I was listening:
Jay and Ryanne have been heavily involved with Scoble for a while. They were at his “Off The Grid” weekend in Montana a few months ago and videoblogged about it. I have no opinion about it until I hear what they have to say. They are coming to Vlog Europe, no?
There is a “Top Eleven” channel on Podshow.
France, a country obsessed with film as art and entertainment, could “save” videoblogging if we can get the word out that the power to make movies can be in their hands.
Where’s this top eleven ting? link? Jay and Ryanne are not coming to Flog Europe.
Hey Richard. I recently started a personal podcast after taking a year off from political podcasting. I had stopped because it no longer felt like a growth experience; I was just talking. After listening to Yeast for a month (even with you as Madge) it became clear that there was potential in the type of podcast you are doing.
Anyway thats the boring backstory part. The more interesting aspect is I kind of broke down during episode 3 and decided to not hold back at all. I am currently living in Switzerland and can’t speak the dialect so there hasn’t been much of an opportunity to really talk things out. Getting everything out on the podcast helped me out and the conversations that were started as a result were helpful and I’m dealing with the current situation in a better way. It was an experiment in putting myself out there. It did freak quite a few people out including my parents who were fairly upset. My mother acted like it was the worst possible thing I could have done (be honest) and told me to always put on my best face and never let anyone know your weaknesses because they will use them against you.
The point is that you were an inspiration in that kind of exploration. Keep up the great work.
Gay Expat: Hey! Thanks for hosting John and I in Paris 🙂
Sorry for the long comment but I couldn’t find an email address.
Go to “program guide” on Podshow, Richard.
And Kyle is good people.
Program guide? Oh, i’ve never looked at it really. I guess I should have.
You make me smile. That “something” is pretty great.
What something?
Listen to your podcast whore I was fukking moved!
Could that have been a bowel movement?
I really like where this show is going but I still think you shouldn’t let your characters die (not only Madge but Mrs Bottinghymer/that black guy/etc). They are too good to waste. If you’re going to follow Ragan’s structure, you could have little segments or shows once in a while featuring the characters while the rest of the shows could be you (like Ragan with the hanger sisters or his celebrity impressions). It would add a real ensemble feel to the show and would make it more subversive and stand out from the crowd. Just a thought, it’s going well though.
In other words, Madge/Bottinghymer/etc. could be occasional features rather than a crutch or something to hide behind.
Great discussion, a lot of good points.
I’m actually philosophical about things like the YouTube buyout where its fame raises awareness of alternative content to normal people and that once they know about it, some will undoubtedly get curious and look for other places to find stuff too.
Sure, a lot of the stuff on YouTube isn’t even original, but something like 10% is, which is a lot of videos, typically all available in their original format elsewhere. A visit to the creator’s website can present someone with more content, links to other directories, etc, etc. And because of the way YouTube works, for every video you watch you’re often presented with 10 others. That’s good.
I always like it when, say, newspapers start doing a podcast or schools use podcasting as part of teaching, which is a point Raymond made. I was really pleased when Ricky Gervais started podcasting. Not because I like his stuff, his podcast bored me to tears, but because many people do like him and it brings exposure to the medium, which is is so much of the battle.
Trouble is, there’s actually little point if the majority of content featured out there sucks. So much that has traction now only has it because its whole method of promotion is through geeky means. And therein lies the catch 22. People find out about podcasting and immediately lose interest because they are presented with shit.
I am probably amongst the techiest people who listens to this show but don’t listen to a single tech podcast. I’m not sure why, but I expect it’s because those who can do it do, those who can’t talk about it instead.
I’m absolutely confident that millions of people would love Madge when they find out about her, but getting her seen is the thing. She isn’t for everyone, but that sort of stuff is typically mediocre anyway. To get seen she has to out into the real world. Podcasts on Sirius are a great example.
In a nutshell, there need to be things done that will catch the attention of the outside world. That’s what PodShow should be doing ans seemed to make a good start in doing, but right now, there’s a loooong way to go.
BTW, I think NewsShake is hilarious but possibly a little too clever and ironic for the success you are hoping. Still, it makes a good statement. 😉
Fuck, that was long. I must have the muse. You’d never think I had my own blog. Sorry.
In reference to your comment about people getting to podcasting/vlogging/etc I think you’re only partially right Steve.
I think the driving force to this new kind of media (or more accurately media delivery system and community) is the impersonal way current media treats its audience. Yes, it will take a while for people to learn how to get here. Yes, it will take a few tries for some of these little spermazoa to penetrate the shell of this egg. And yes, there will be tons of stuff that doesn’t amount to crap in the Podcast-o-sphere and the VLog-o-sphere but the cream will float to the top. The good stuff will emerge just as it does in every other situation. The main difference will be that if one wishes to slum it or go crap diving, he/she is more than welcome to do so at any time. The other BIG difference is it will be very hard (I hope) for one person to control what the new media says.
It will get really interesting in the next couple/few years when the media consuming public and the media buying public finally learn how to walk in the arena. I’m going to enjoy watching all of these people who have not had to learn a damn new thing in the past 50 years learn how to navigate through this. It will be like when they started replacing IBM Selectrics with Apple II computers with this program called a “Word Processor” on it. It just may — just maybe — become a thinking person’s world after all. Sheeple be damned (or at least forgotten into irrelevance).
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Fantastic discussion. I totally agree with your statement about people producing videos that conveniently slip into the zeitgeist, I notice the same in podcasting. I find that many podcasters attempt to emulate a format that is so much like a talk radio show, probably out of a desire to be “found.” When I first started blogging and then podcasting I will be the first to admit that I was obsessed with stats and I found myself doing things that I didn’t really want to do. Now, however, I could care less and I only want to tell my stories, have fun with the medium, and make connections with other people who are doing the same. I hope this comment made sense.
Awards shows are commercials, thus they are lies. For example, the Academy Awards were created because in the early 20th century American Cinema was overshadowed by better films from Europe, in particular Germany. Therefore, the studios came up with the Academy Awards to promote American cinema and create buzz for American film and around the world. Evidence of this promotion of American cinema is present to this day and has developed into a promotion of the American mythology. Directors like Robert Altman, Martin Scorcese, and David Lynch have been nominated only as a courtesy but largely ignored. Instead, directors like Ron Howard are recognized because they produce warm fuzzy films that spread the mythology of the American experience around the world.
Thanks for linking my video, more needs to be done to underline the enormity of what’s been done.
Adam — I agree about the radio thing. I call it Radio 2.0. I find it funny that the non-conformists are busy doing everything the same. Granted, every human is probably prone to imitate what they know but I get kind of disillusioned when these people do things that are soooo radio. One of the things I love about Yeast Radio is that Richard has abused just about every rule and piece of equipment he owns, yet, for some reason I can’t get enough.
Part of the Radio 2.0 problem, too, is that the media buying public is also stupidly looking at Podcasting as Radio and VLogging as TV. “Bullshit”, I say. They are both much closer to Blogging (infact they are born of blogging). They share only common tools like microphones, audio editors, and cameras with their Radio and TV brethren. Nonetheless, the stupid people selling podcasting and vlogging merely took the forms from the Radio/TV Rep’s desk, crossed off the word Radio or TV and scribbled Podcasting or Vlogging on it.
Of course, we probably have to put up with this for a while people learn how what this new media is and how to best consume it. Until that happens, though, all of us in this room can patiently hold our collective breath. Blecht!
How are you going to find a new hot chick every single month that can giggle convincingly for two minutes?
Better question: How does a gay guy get hot chicks to do stuff for him like that?
You get the satisfaction of getting something from the hot chick AND the satisfaction of knowing that you have twarted her “oooh — he wants to get into my pants ’cause I’m so hot” thing.
Amazing! Fuckin’ amazing!
BTW: next time get her to bend over more – I couldn’t get her to do that ‘cause I’m only straight. Thanx, man.
Ummm. It’s called money.
do i send you the money?
Opaque.
Hierarchy is old school.
Audience education is primary. Lots of expectation to un-do.
They might have turned the Vloggy-hierarchy model on its ear, but looks like the Vloggy team has chickened out.
Why? Fear? Failure of imagination?
Regarding the class of 2006 vloggers being integrated into the center, it only remains for folks to choose to become part of the community.
Susan Kirkpatrick has made concerted effort to add value to the community through collaboration, for example.
Some folks have the talent / time to make the effort. Others are less interested, able to insert themselves into extant community superstructure.
I don’t think Jay/Ryanne have been untransparent about their association with Scoble.
What is the best practice for disclosure of financial relationship? What is the time table? Disclosure on receipt of first money? Second money? During negotiations?
Re: indie investigative journalism see Jay Rosen’s NewAssignment.net. It’s happening.
Thanks for the great show.
that’s great Jan- thanks for the link.
I think I need to clarify. I don’t think Jay and Ryanne have as such been covert about their relationship with Scoble, working for the Scoble Show. But I think any economic relationship between PodTech/SF Vloggies and videobloggers should be up-front. What do you think?
I mean, if I for instance get paid by some tech company to attend VloggerCon, and that TechCompany also has some interest in VloggerCon, wouldn’t it be fair that I disclose that economic transaction?
It’s like when we blog about a product on our blogs/vlogs. If we have received funds from the company behind that product, shouldn’t it be disclosed? Regarding the timing I don’t have any real point of view at the moment.
I am asking some questions, and there are others also that are thinking about these issues. I’ll think more about this whole issue.
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I think it’s a good idea to have a disclosure page on your blog/vlog, just to let people know your business connections up front. Jeff Jarvis at Buzzmachine.com has a good one. I’m working on mine and hope to have it up soon.
super-interesting discussion with exactly the right balance of truth, speculation and honesty. Lots to ponder here…went to the Vloggies and was not disappointed, nor was I surprised, nor was it quite what I expected. I was really in it to see some familiar faces, wear a new dress and avail myself of PodTech sponsored hooch.
Lots to ponder here…